Another Discussion On Free Will

Engaging non-gnostics in discussion about what happened in the Garden of Eden is an eclectic show of either snide childish humor and dismissal or the non-gnostic asking(what they think) to be deep questions about why we, as gnostics, choose to believe something which is what atheists call "self justification." In other words: "You just don't want to believe what I do because you're egotistical." Oh and then they usually call us Satanists. Sorry, hate to burst everyone's bubble of delusion and ignorance but gnostics are not Satanists.

Ego has nothing to do with the truth when found in gnosis, contrary to what misinformation is spread through the world wide web and other means. We don't worship ourselves as god, we simply acknowledge our divine connection through spirit to the All; as being part of his body. Ego does, on the other hand, have quite a bit to do with the reason why people keep their eyes squeezed shut so tightly against the truth when it's staring them in the face. Let me further flesh out this argument by quoting a recent discussion. Red text are my own thoughts. Changer01 on YouTube is talking about how he thinks gnostic texts are contradictory and that gnostics are Satanists. I reply:

The gnostic concept of the universe is the only way to logically answer "if God is good then why is our world so effed up?"

The answer is so obvious that it shocks people.

The gnostic gospels are "contradictory" because they're NOT meant to be understood literally but metaphorically. This is a huge step away from the literalist religions which saturate the world today.

Changer01 replies:

@GnosticUnrest That's just to justify your hatred against god. If you would really look at human behaviour then you would notice how true the bible really is. (And this guy is supposedly an atheist?!) But I guess you don't want to meet god because you think that god is in yourself, so you build a story around it that pulls itself out of the swamp to justify how you are living instead of seeking the truth. That's a poor anti-religion. (This is the self justification I'm talking about.)

I replied back:

I look at the Bible and I DO see how true it is... in regard to the people who read it literally. That is why our world is the way it is. I don't hate god. I hate the contradictory role he's created for himself in our world. I think that by attacking gnosis you're simply doing what the Vatican wants you to-- look for a scapegoat. Good job!!! *pat on the back*

I seek truth every single day. And I find it every single day. I don't run from it. And I live a very moral life.

Afterward I challenged him:

If you can give me one valid reason(not an excuse!) for why Jehovah/Yahweh put the Tree of Good and Evil in Eden then I'll concede that you understand God. And none of this "he meant it as a lesson" or any of that mess. Why would a loving parent put something "dangerous" within easy reach of their child only to condemn and DAMN them afterward for being curious? Having free will means having a sense of curiosity. But it is that very curiosity which God forbids. Why?

Why would further knowledge about god be wrong? Eating the fruit opened their eyes, made them see what WAS instead of what god wanted them to see.

He wrote back:

Since they had no sin and thus no necessity of acknowledging evil, they didn't need to eat from that tree. But they could eat from the tree of life whenever they wanted. Now because they didn't have any sin their inner being was not even curious for that forbidden tree so they would probably never have touched it. But then the snake came and brought them to doubt: "Should god have told you not to eat it?"

He continued on:

Why should they have had to know this? They had abundant life, knew only the good and not the evil (which was not ruling this world yet), plus they were like god in the world (god has set them to reign) and the snake lied at them and said the WOULD be like god if they ate from the tree! Gnosticism is like trying to wake up the died soul of adam, declared to a holy divine spark. Actually it's exactly that.

That's the spiritual principle of the old adam. Want rather something fresh?

I replied:

@Changer01, "Want something fresh?" ......No thank you. I prefer to keep my head up ABOVE the sand instead of sticking my head in it and my mind clear of that euphoric drug called "the illusion of free will" that the demiurge gave us upon creation. I prefer exercising that free will instead of merely saying I have it. It's like saying, "gay people can have rights but they just can't have THOSE rights." Hypocritical. Human is human and free will is free will. Accept it or enjoy those blinders.